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War in Iraq: Has the proposed withdrawal of allied troops from Iraq come too late?

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Yes
57% 225 votes Total: 392 votes
No
43% 167 votes
Yes

We lost this war by the third day of the invasion, so yes I would say four years on is a bit on the late side.

That we could achieve our goals with the numbers of soldiers we had was predicated on the absurd idea that we would be welcomed by cheering crowds and flower petals. This idea was absurd because there had never been such a welcome of a foreign invading army from a culture with a long history of animosity with the invaded country. Never once. And we had been bombing Iraq on average every three days for the five years leading up to the invasion, which can tend to make you less popular. We had also been keeping them from getting the medicines they needed to cure diarrhea and the equipment they needed to repair their water system so the water would be clean again. Both of which lead to hundreds of thousands of children dying, which again tends to make a country less popular.

No expert anywhere would have claimed that we could occupy Iraq and not be welcomed and face an insurgency and win with as many soldiers as we had to go in with. We did not have more soldiers, as it is our military has been described as "broken" because of the strain of maintaining the force level we have.

What was supposed to happen in the Bush fantasy was the magical welcoming and the rapid conversion of the Iraqi military into our willing allies who would put some nice fellow in power and wave merrily goodbye to us a few months later. That such a thing had never come close to happening before in all of world history did not trouble them enough to make plans for what to do if it did not happen this time either.

Three days in it was clear that the Iraqi military was not coming over to us and that the only people cheering in the streets were members of the previously brutally persecuted Iraqi Communist Party. Three days in it was clear what was going to happen, an ever growing insurgency, and that we did not have enough soldiers to win against the foes we would face. Three days in it was clear that we had no plans for what to do now, no course was set and yet we spent the next three years being asked to "stay the course" in Iraq. Three days in it was clear that the only question was what cost in lives and treasure would be paid before we left Iraq in a shambles.

Sure, Bush and his administration did lots of things to make things worse for us in Iraq over the next four years but the basic math is simple. We need 650,000 soldiers for this fight, according to the book our current top general in Iraq wrote. We have less than 25% of that available.

Here is what makes it even worse; no matter what happens in the war we would still lose when we left. Any regime that was friends with us would be ousted in a few years time at most and the insurgents we had subdued would just come back again. No government that likes the US can hold power long in a country where the vast majority of the populace hates our guts. We cannot stay forever, and once we leave we lose no matter what happened before that. We lack the troops for a temporary win, and a long term win is simply impossible.

Every life and every dollar that this war has wasted since the fourth day on has been spent to keep Bush from having to admit that we lost his stupid war that he lied like hell to get us into. For no other purpose. Just so Bush can avoid saying he lost. Brave men and women die so Bush can be a coward.

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No

Withdrawal from Iraq may satisfy the psyche of a portion of the American public and provide presidential candidates with talking points, and outrage to fire up their bid for the highest office in the land; however these are hardly reasons to abandon a country that has seen nothing but violence and bloodshed for decades.

We are told that this is a lost cause, that American men and woman are dying in vane and that Iraq is beyond repair. Four years is prenatal in terms of the birth of a country. The Iraqi army is beginning to take its first steps and pundits want the American public to believe that they will never learn to walk because of the difficulties, pulling the rug out from under their feet, hoping for failure, to advance their agenda. It is irresponsible to pull out, perhaps inhumane, if the estimates are true that hundreds and thousands may die if the Iraq Security Forces are not prepared before we cut and run.

There are well document success in Anbar and neighborhoods of Baghdad, the Iraqi Security Forces are taking casualty in large numbers, doubling the number of deaths that we are suffering. General Patraes has seen progress and this without the Iraqi Forces fully armed. Delays with new equipment occurred because of the build up to the surge.

The American Military is stalwart in its commitment to this engagement, and moral is high. The Iraqi Security Forces are beginning to hold there own, commanders on the ground are satisfied with their resolve and recommending that they have more time, and they see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Al Qaeta is in Iraq backed by Iran. There are extenuating circumstances that no one could have anticipated and the American people understand that or else there would be more clamoring for removal of the troops. The potential danger of Iraq falling to the likes of Osama Bin Ladin are unfathomable. The American people were made starkly aware of the danger on September 11, 2001.

Abandoning Iraq at this could only harm our fight against international terrorism, an enemy that is enigmatic and evolving, would send the message that we do not follow through, embolden the radicals in the Arab world, and increase our chances for more 911 attacks. We have their backs against the wall, why turns our now?

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