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Yes
Created on: July 12, 2007
The United States has the obligation to stay in Iraq until peace is secured - but not for the Iraqi people. The obligation the United States has is to the United States.
Face it, if we were in Iraq for the benefit of the Iraqi people, we would have invaded a LOT earlier - or we would have finished the job and took out Saddam Hussein after Desert Storm.
He had rape rooms. Torture chambers. Mass graves. He killed many, many, many of his people. It sickens me when people think it was the "good old days" when he was in power.
So, we have two things that need to be made clear in order for Iraq to make sense:
1. We're there for us. It is the central front in the War on Terror. It is where we are actively killing thousands of terrorists, who are flooding into Iraq in order to BE killed - no thanks to the national media for overlooking this fact. Peace for Iraqi people is a positive side-benefit of safety for the United States and all of the civilized world.
2. It follows, then, that when our national security interest is realized, we leave. This point impacts the definition of "peace being secured."
"Peace" has to be defined. Obviously, there will not be a complete absence of violence. Not even the best city in the United States has that.
So "peace," as far as the United States is concerned, should be defined as the condition under which a free, moderate and strong government/military is established.
Peace is not the lack of roadside bombs. It is the scenario under which the Iraqi police will try to prevent such crimes, and investigate when they fail.
Peace is not the lack of terrorists. For our practical purposes, it is when Iraqi intelligence is trying to find them out, and when the Iraqi military is trying to kill them.
It's no different than in England or France or Germany. If these countries were being overrun by terrorists, we would be in there helping their governments, too.
Meanwhile, we have the bigwig networks - NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, etc. - looking at the fact that Iraq's goverment missed 8 out of 18 benchmarks as a sign of failure.
Nevermind that the U.S. Congress has a much worse record - and that the benchmarks that the Iraqis HAVE met are impressive.
Here's what the defeatists/leftists/mainstream media want you to believe:
1. Americans are being killed at a tremendous rate in Iraq (go ahead, study your history of wars - this one is actually going EXTREMELY well. And may God bless those troops who have died for this noble cause.)
2. America is the problem in Iraq, and removing Americans from the country will benefit the situation. Now, do you want to tell me how exactly this makes any sense at all? Go ahead, name any democrat who can explain this inane point. Which of the presidential candidtates is explaining how the situation would get better if the U.S. were to leave?
3. Progress is not being made. The surge IS working. Look at the July 12 Wall Street Journal (refreshing we have a newspaper willing to report progress instead of doom and gloom). The surge wasn't in place until mid-June, by which time the Democrats already were declaring defeat. The truth is, America CAN win.
4. The enemy is not that bad. The media has even taken to calling terrorists "insurgents." Here's a couple stories you probably DIDN'T read in the New York Times: The discovery of an entire village of children being decapitated and put into a mass grave. A common strong-arm terrorist practice in which they invite a family over for dinner, and serve them one of their own children, cooked, with an apple sticking out of their mouth. Increased confidence by the Iraqi people, including a healthier economy.
Folks, don't believe this tripe. DO believe in our mission in Iraq. The United States is doing something extremely idealistic - and that is good. It is a rough road, but we ARE winning, and we CAN finish the job.
We have an obligation to be there. And our troops have the will to be there. It's sad when the American people don't have the courage or clarity of mind to know what's right, and to do it.
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No
Created on: February 07, 2010
No we do not have a moral obligation to stay in Iraq until peace is secured. We have accomplished the mission of ending Iraq’s drive for WMD and atrocities of Saddam Hussein. We have a legitimate government in place and it is up to this new government to ensure for the security and well being of all Iraqi citizens. The institutions and processes that we will leave Iraq with will be able to govern as Iraqi’s see fit.
What is moral varies from one side of the political spectrum to the other. Morality is a term that is subjective to belief systems of the individual. In order to answer the question on whether the US has a moral obligation to stay in Iraq until peace is secured we need to come to an agreement on how we define morality. For the purpose of this essay we will define morality based on the ideas of John Stuart Mill. According to Mill’s the only time that one should interfere with another individual is when harm is being done. This idea helps to support why we were justified to invade Iraq as well as why it is okay for us to now remove ourselves from Iraq.
The atrocities of Saddam Hussein against his people were many. UNSC Resolution 688 outlines some of these atrocities. Saddam Hussein was responsible for repression of the civilian population through military force, conducted arbitrary executions without due process, destroyed Kurdish and Turkomen villages, forced deportations, conducted chemical weapons attacks against civilian populations, attacked Shia civilians in southern Iraq, and killed Shia religious leaders. Clearly these actions were in violation of human rights and would be keeping with Mill’s philosophy of when a government could interfere.
But taking Mill’s one step further we can also come to the conclusion that when harm is not being done then non-interference is the rule. We have established the framework for a democratic society where all are equally represented under the law. The framework allows for equal representation and it is now up to the Iraqi people to decide. Sure there is violence, even at one point the question of whether Iraq would slip into a civil war. But as time goes on, without the presence of the US, these democratic civil institutions will gain a larger footing. Iraq will become secure based on the actions of Iraqi's not some third party occupier.
Our presence in Iraq will not ensure security. In fact one could argue that security is threatened by our presence. Al Qaida in Iraq will continue to create instability in the country as long as we remain. For true democracy to take hold it must be the Iraqi people who provide for their own security. If Iraq is able to provide for its own peace and security democracy will have taken root much deeper than a continued US presence.
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