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Created on: January 22, 2010 Last Updated: January 23, 2010
There are different types of poverty as well as different levels of impoverished people in all countries all over the world. In each place the kind of living conditions people must endure are horrible for those of us more fortunate to imagine. Poverty is not an easy issue to address, it does not lend us a definite yes people can cause their own poverty or no, they are not responsible.
In America we have the welfare poor, we have the working poor, and we have the addicted and homeless poor. The streets of many urban areas are also filled with the homeless poor that may fall into several categories, including mental illness or disabled.
Among those poor people is the criminal element that breeds among the impoverished and that others use against the poor. Crime and poverty are hand in hand all around the world.
Most people are willing to help others to a point. In this country we see that the welfare programs have only increased poverty by allowing generation after generation to live completely off the assistance of tax payers. No one who pays taxes is happy about that.
The problem is perpetuated by allowing families to have as many children as they can in order to get more assistance money. This is a problem for the poor, a choice they make and one they use that works against them and against the system. People on assistance for more than two years should not be allowed to have a family.
If they have children and continue to live off the tax payers, they should sterilized to prevent further children and be re-educated and put in a work program of some kind. Work is not going to hurt them, they are most often lazy and irresponsible, they do not handle money or daily tasks well either.
No family should be a third, fourth or fifth generation welfare recipient. It is not the world against them it is them against the world.
How many times even in this economy have we seen jobs open in service work like fast foods, convenience stores, department stores, as laborers or domestics? How many city streets, parks, neighborhoods would benefit from cleaning programs? Why can't people work for their assistance?
By developing work ethics and feeling some sense of pride and ownership of the money, they could become more likely to leave the welfare program and seek better conditions. They have no incentive to leave a program where they have all the benefits and do not have to get their butts out of the house unless they need drugs, cigarettes or booze.
Work for the money just like the tax payers do is the way to resolve the welfare poor issue. Every society knows that sick, elderly, disabled (truly limited by physical or mental conditions) and children must be protected and cared for, we accept this. In that sense most of us agree that we do have to help some folks.
Look around when you are out shopping next time, note that there are elderly people working at jobs to supplement their retirement income. Notice the physically handicapped that is also working to support themselves and often you will see younger working individuals who are single parents or students. They are the working poor, too.
Life is not easy for most people. We admire those that seem to live the charmed life and have all the perks, we dream of success, but so often we fail. So why do some of us only dream of success and others achieve it? It all comes back to the individual decisions that we each make every breathing minute we are alive.
Many a poor non-English speaking immigrant has worked tirelessly and quietly to provide educations for their American born children. They are working poor; they are not entitled to most welfare programs if they are honest.
Here again we don't mind if they work and are good citizens, but we prefer that they become legal and utilize their labor for the good of this nation rather than seeing the money being sent to a home country. Poor, yes, proud, yes, they work for a living.
Many small towns and rural populations have working poor. Jobs are scarce, pay is low, benefits non existent for the majority of the jobs available. In these communities working is important, work ethics are important.
Schools and churches and community programs promote education and work. A few will stay but most young ambitious people will flock to major cities to improve their lot in life.
So many people are just plain lazy and choose to be worthless. They choose to act foolish and do drugs or smoke. They choose to let their children skip school and become bums. They don't protect their children or promote safe sex or healthy lifestyles and then they blame society for their choices.
These poor are all colors, all ages, all over the world, male and female they choose to be inclined towards poverty and perils.
People can manipulate life in many ways and some people are so unwilling to try to change that it can only be said that this is truly self-inflicted poverty on many fronts.
For those willing to try, who will work and still stay impoverished perhaps, all they need is a helping hand. Most of us are willing and glad to help others who try to help themselves.
We need stronger motivation for people to want success. When people pay taxes and work hard, why should they not have some control over how long people can stay on welfare and sit around making unwanted babies that will also become welfare recipients? The idle time these poor have only creates more time for non productive lifestyles, crime, disease and depression.
Giving to those who fail to feel any sense of responsibility is just wrong. We should offer more help to the working poor and less to those who make their living off welfare totally generation after generation.
If men and women who claim to be somehow disabled have the ability to go dancing, bar hopping, partying and getting high, usually quite often, then they make that choice. If they can further mess up their lives they are just as able to improve themselves. The choices are their own not others.
The adult poor fail themselves by not becoming responsible for their actions or lack of actions. The same is true for many pre-teens and teens that live in poverty.
The hole of poverty is deep but when people try hard enough they can climb out of it. People are capable of greater good even when the odds are against them.
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Created on: January 22, 2010 Last Updated: January 31, 2010
We are masters of our own fate. We reap what is sown. We get out of life what we put into it. Life is full of choices. Those who believe poor people are responsible for their own poverty would have us believe the poor had a choice either be poor not be poor. After all, we all have choices. While ultimately choice always comes down to two options, the pool of choices may or may not be in favor of the chooser. I submit that most poor people no more strive to live in poverty, than a snowman yearns for a warm sun.
To claim poor people are responsible for their own poverty places the choices down to two options; a person can be either poor or not poor. The people, who believe the poor choose poverty so choose because it is the mindset people in poverty, live by. While this may be true, people who live in poverty have a mindset that perpetuates the condition it does not conclude such mindset is by choice.
History has long shown that poverty is not so much a choice as it is a condition of life. One can look at just about any historical society and observe the haves and the haves not. People lucky enough to be born into an Egyptian Dynasty never had to worry about their next meal, but their slaves did. “Legal rights, responsibilities, and status were divided along class lines rather than gender lines.” Those not born into favorable conditions may have spent their time in do menial work for little pay poverty. Consequently, few people ever had the means to escape the poverty level. Another example is the Ancient Greeks. The Greeks had a society that instilled very specific roles for men, women, and children. Most Greeks were farmers and many Greek families had slaves. The better to do the Greek, the more slaves he had. The Romans had a two-tiered society, the upper class called Patricians and the lower class called Plebeians. The Romans also had slaves.
While my research was not completely exhaustive, I found no written record from these ancient cultures that demonstrate the poor chose this way of life. I must also add, I found no records of the upper class society stating they did not want to be poor. In many of these ancient societies, the people believed one’s station in life was the will of the gods.
Moving ahead a thousand years, society still consists of those who have and those who do not. People who lived under the realm of the King and Queen, fared much better than those outside the influence of the noble class did. Some people saw the injustice displayed by the nobility, which led to the famous Magna Carta. Even so, poverty remained rampant.
Moving ahead another seven hundred years, we begin to see a change values. A new concept is born. The idea that people have rights, rights no person can take away because these rights are inalienable, meaning they were given to us by God. However even these rights were conditional, God gave these rights to white men only. People of color, Indians and women did not fall into this category, thus had to live in squalor or in the conditions prescribed by those white men in power. Native Americans chose the life of a reservation rather than fight a losing battle against a Government with an increase in power and the will to use it. These people lived off the land while succumbing to the desires of those in power. Being poor was not a choice, it was a condition brought about by the people in power. The people in power had a means and the ways to control those less fortunate and less able to change their conditions.
Moving ahead less than one hundred years, we see several revolutions going on at the same time. Skilled workers begin to revolt against the owners and management demanding better working conditions and better pay. Activists work to abolish slavery, creating an “underground railroad’ to help slaves escape to their freedom. One group of people believed they had the right to have slaves, while another group believed the condition of slavery was wrong and no one has the right to own another human being. As a result, a civil war broke out and the side that believed slavery was wrong won. However, this created a new class of poor people that has plagued this society onto this day.
Freeing slaves may have caused a new class of poor but one could easily argue it did not perpetuate such a class. For the next hundred years or so, the poor especially blacks and women had to fight to climb the ladder of success. Every successful step came with a deep-rooted struggle. People had to unite often-forming unions to get better working conditions, better pay, and insurance to protect them from injury on the job. The unions enabled people to move out of the clutches of poverty and into a better living condition known as the middle class.
The middle class is a modern day phenomenon brought about by people who were determined that those who have wealth should distribute the wealth much more equitably. Logic should tell us that one does not come by wealth in a vacuum. People obtain wealth by manipulating those around them. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, Carnegie, George Bush Sr. Some, people like Hearst, gained wealth as much by luck, as by circumstance.
So, let me expel the myth that people who live at the poverty level do so by choice. Many of these people work, often two and sometimes three jobs; all at wage jobs in fast food restaurants, or as clerks in food chain stores, clothing stores, and gas stations. Most of these businesses make a hefty profit for the owners, and investors, yet not enough to pay their workers a decent living wage. Another myth states, if these people really wanted to move out of the poverty level they would find the means to do it. I teach at a private college. The students I teach are those who have lost their jobs and are going through career changes or job retraining. Some students I teach failed the entrance exam. My role is to help these students learn to read and write at the college level, so that they can perform on the job. The sad part is some of these people will never be able to perform at the college level. The reading and writing is much too technical for them to comprehend. As sorry as we feel for this group of people, we do them a greater disservice by telling them to go to college. Granted, some of these people may be able to go to a technical school or trade school, but even these schools often have skill levels that require extensive training that these people may never be able to master. The skilled craft people are not called masters because the job they do is so easy anybody can do it. Often these jobs require a talent and an art that requires extensive training. Just about anybody can drive a nail into a piece of wood, but it takes a very skilled finish carpenter to build a winding staircase in an upscale home. Many of these skilled jobs have gone by the wayside due to automation and technology.
I wonder if the people who claim the poor choose to live in poverty include the people who suffer from mental illnesses, cognitive impairments, and physical handicaps that limit their capacities to work. Just as our country has created a new poor, several times over, it has also created the forgotten poor in the mentally ill. I would venture a guess that many of the homeless people would qualify for medical treatment for a mental illness.
The poor have always been with us. Being poor, living in poverty, may seem like a choice, but I believe no self respecting person would want to live in the condition so many poor people live in day in and day out. Often times the difference between those above the poverty lines and those below it are being in the right place at the right time and having the means to take advantage of it. Class struggle is a constant battle. “For the bureaucrat, the world is a mere object to be manipulated by him.” Karl Marx. I submit that for the bureaucrat the poor are merely puppets, marionettes to do their bidding then toss them off when they are no longer needed.
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