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Should Alaska secede from the United States?

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Yes
38% 56 votes Total: 148 votes
No
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Yes

The Declaration of Independence states the following: "When in the course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation". The rights of the people of the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microso ft-com:office:smartt ags" />United States of America to dissolve the Union are written in this document. Many states such as Alaska, Ohio, Michigan, Vermont, South Carolina, and Hawaii are taking advantage and planning for their independence. It would not even be a bad idea if states or different ethnic groups were to dissolve the ties to a country that has become a failure. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microso ft-com:office:office " />

According to a recent article in the Los Angeles Times, the Zogby Poll conducted a survey in which 20% of the American people are of the opinion that states should peacefully secede from the United States of America. The same poll released the result that 44% of those who favour peaceful secession from the United States of America are of the belief that the system including the two party system is broken beyond repair. In October 2006, CNN broadcast the poll of the Opinion Research Group which found that 71% of the American believes that the system is irretrievably broken". Vermont, Alaska, Ohio, and other states were forced to join the Union via various forms of persuasion.

Alaska was the centre of a referendum in 1958 in which the choices were to be a state within the United States of America, become a Commonwealth, remain a Territory, or become an Independent Nation. The year 1958 was at the height of the Cold War and Alaska had natural resources that the elite governing the empire called the United States of America wanted. The Governing Elite in the United States of America manipulated the results by granting the right of military personnel and their family who were stationed in Alaska to vote even though they were eligible to vote in other states. The Governing Elite in the United States also denied the right of the indigenous people of Alaska such as the Aleuts the right to vote by writing the ballots in English instead of their native languages. A referendum of that nature would nullify the legality of Alaska as a state and would allow another referendum in which Independence from the United States of America would be an option.

The reasons for the Independence of Alaska outweigh the possibility of maintaining a Union with a sinking ship which has become the United States of America. The governing elite of the United States could not accept the founder of the Alaska Independence Party Joe Vogler speaking at a Conference of the United Nations. Mr. Vogler disappeared under mysterious circumstances after saying: "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions". It is surreal that the US Governing Elite would try to repress the concept of independence for Alaska although I do not think they had anything to do with his disappearance.

Alaska has been used and abused by the Governing Elite for one thing only, its oil and natural gas. Alaska in return has been treated like a second class citizen by an Empire and Governing Elite whose reason for existence is being a parasite. Alaska has been forced to depend on the central government of Washington for their basic needs without receiving anything in return. Alaska wants the right to educate its future generation as they see fit and not as Washington dictates. Alaska wants the right to maintain and bear arms as stipulated in the Constitution of 1787 and the Laws of Alaska.

Alaska has a culture that is distinct from the rest of the United States of America. Alaska is a state rich with a diverse culture that has been subjected to the racism inherent in both the Republicans and Democrats who live in the continental United States of America. The culture of the state of Alaska is based on the rights of the family and the right for people to be held accountable for their actions or lack of them. The culture of Alaska extends the rights of accountability to elected officials without the need from Big Government Interference.

The rights of states including Alaska to secede should be recognized by a society that has promoted the right of secession in the world. Long live the concept of an Independent Alaska as well as any other state that wishes to dissolve the ties that bind but have become too painful.

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"The American Secessionist Streak"; Ketcham, Christopher; LA Times Sept.10, 2008

http://www.latim es.com/news/opinion/ la-oe-ketcham10-2008 sep10,0,6298381.stor y

http://www.mail-arc hive.com/ctrl@listse rv.aol.com/msg91555. html

http://www.akip. org/

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Alaskans should be allowed to enter the 48 states from Canada with an Alaska State I.D. card with the official federal 'real i.d. criteria instead of being required to have a passport. Federal policy soon will require Alaskans going to the 48 states by land through Canada to have a passport to enter the United States, and that is an unnecessary and discriminatory burden. Why not require Puerto Ricans to buy Tea only from the United States and to pay a dollar per hundred bags tax in order to encourage them to revolt? It makes as much sense as compelling Alaskans to remain in Canada as outsiders looking at the people over the border. An exception should be made for Alaskans visiting the contiguous states such that a high-tech, verifiable I.D. card is good enough. The passport way costs 90 dollars, takes time, is slow to replace and is kind of a vulnerable thing to lose. In a sense the United States is already pushing Alaskans farther away from the union, treating them as aliens that need a passport to visit the 'ugly Americans' down south. Imposter Alaskans that are really from Iran should find it easier to counterfeit a passport than a real i.d. card anyway-there aren't so may North Korean Cuban Ayatollahs living in Alaska anymore.

Governor and former Vice Presidential candidate 2008 Sarah Palin visited Wrangell Alaska on May 29th, 2009 to sign a bill at Chief Shakes Island to increase water safety-and I am glad. For several years I would motor an 8 foot inflatable boat along the Island and adjacent waterways to buy groceries in town. A few miles traveling through winter Alaskan waters to reach the town created challenges more significant that journeying through the untrammeled winter forest to launch the boat into the dark and cold days when no landing existed on the northeastern shore to enable small boats to put in safely. I never gave much thought to seceding from the United States in order to make buying groceries simpler-maybe I should have though; would it make hernia repair for the uninsured and unemployed more accessible to secede?

The former Gov. Palin who resigned following some nasty David Letterman comments about her daughter nor other Alaska political leaders have raised the issue of begin given permission by the United States to secede from the Union.

Sarah Palin's visit to Wrangell when I was outside (that means in the lower forty eight states in Alaskan speak) getting a hernia reminded me of when former President Reagan visited Wrangell and bought a sweater at a little store named 'Hitchcock's' in early summer 1992. Walking arm and arm with Nancy he looked in my bank directly at me as I was withdrawing my last $100 dollars. I did not then realize the significance of that, and still don't-yet I think it means that politicians don't mean much, and profit themselves first and foremost even if they are nice guys or gals. President Regan didn't make a speech for Alaskan secession then, but he very well might have if it would have improved the economy.

The best chance for an Alaska secession from the union would be for president Obama to pass a lot of flaky laws through congress concerning Alaska and eventually turn out to be not a native-born American citizen. If Justice Sotomayor was really born in the Dominican Republic and made a lot of weird, controversial votes when or if she is on the Court de Supremos, the history of infiltrated and corrupted laws might be sufficient to allow the dissolution of many aspects of U.S.legal validity. It would be something like solvent was poured on an inflatable boat at sea dissolving the glue that held the transom on and seams together suddenly-the parts would go their own way. Perhaps Michigan would be the first to seek independence in a confused legal environment in order to become more like Singapore.


Alaskan land granted by the federal government in various way not uncommonly has legal fine print such as if the state sells subsurface rights on properties when they sell land the property reverts to federal ownership. The federal government still owns a lot of muskeg, rock and ice in Alaska-the concept that a state can just secede and disregard all of the U.S. legal system and contracts in place is interesting. If in some way the federal government allowed a divorce to occur and Alaska could have all of the land that wasn't owned rightfully by the U.S. Government, and the Alaska aboriginal took their former territories and went independent too perhaps within the ANILCA criteria for those were valid 'contracts', I hate to think about how little land would actually be left-probably more than Hawaii has but not in as good of a location. The present state capitol is also the former federal territorial capitol building for Alaska-I suppose the legislator and Governor would be evicted and out on the street directly and need to build a hut of their own with gables and a lightening rod.

Alaska ought to get a little more respect from all the insiders in Washington D.C. and Chicago considering it as a colony to be plundered for natural resources. Americans in the 48 states have the advantages and disadvantages of much good food crops and highways locally. To get a pineapple to Alaska, or peanuts they must be shipped quite a way with extra cost passed on to consumers. If the people had sense they would move the federal capital to St. Louis right away and fire all the bureaucrats employed in the District of Columbia and make them get real jobs. Its too cozy and they always have Alaska to kick around or visit on some junket.



The Federal Government has overseen the proliferation of terrorist surveillance weapons technology. Exterior web cams with wireless hook-ups can be bought from 10 to 600 dollars enabling passing terrorists and foreign governments to set up harmless live surveillance circuits all over America legally-is that a bright government? The federal government plans to run up a 21 trillion dollars public debt in the next decade and all people can think of is to ask 'Should Alaska Move Alaska to Another Planet and Create a new Bay for the Arctic Ocean or a larger Bering Strait at Least?


Brevet Col. Jefferson Davis-first military governor of the newly purchased Alaska from Russia, were he alive today would be mirthful about the irony of the outsider conjecture about succession of Anchorage from the United States. The first Russian free profiteer explorers-the promylshleniki may have set a standard for the kind of people that would be interested in succession or chaos. Factory fish processors full of aliens and drug users might like it, and so might oil corporations and their drug suppliers and vice versa for the American addiction. Right thinking people would be opposed to b.s about secession and interested in finding a rectification of government corruption at the state and federal planning levels. Alaska and the U.S.A. need increased nationalism and ecological economic policy rather than corporate collectivism

Sometimes I have wondered why detached from reality questions such as 'Should Alaska secede from the United States' arise, as if it were possible. The Confederate states had a much better chance than the state of Alaska would today. I wonder what sort of idiot Machiavellian manipulator putting this title in to the mix seeks to build up bias against northern Americans perhaps as a diversionary argument from the history of southern secession and perfidy in the District of Columbia.


I have no idea how much money the United States has spent in getting Americans to move to Alaska since they purchased it from Russia. In 1939 the population of Anchorage was still just about 2000 people. It was the war that brought a flood of Americans to Anchorage, and the Japanese invasion of the Aleutians that cost so many American lives in the 500 mile war in which American fighter and bomber pilots took off from Kodiak and Anchorage on dangerous missions to Attu and Kiska where the Imperial Army of Japan was dug in. Special Army forces from the American southwest were sent to take Attu by land with the second most casualties as a percent of soldiers involved in all of the island battles of the second world war-they repulsed banzai charges on a snow ridge several times in desperation.

Former Senator Ted Stevens alone, in error convicted and discharged of seven felony crimes, got who knows how many hundreds of millions of U.S. tax dollars spent in Alaska as head of the Senate appropriations committee. Year after year the United States pays for highway construction, education and other costs with contributions-not to mention the huge spending from the military reservations in Alaska . Wrangell Alaska too gets its share; while it has no military bases or naval vessels located their it does have an old post office built in the 1920's or 1930's , and they used to have a couple of trees that were cut down because of some sort of bugs in them.

In 1939 the territory of Alaska had just 2000 rifles in the Haines barracks to defend itself against Japan. Today it has more than 2000 M-1 rifles-some sort of newer military equipment is supposed to be in the state.

In 1988 I sat at an RS2477 course at the University of Alaska Fairbanks at a table with Joe Vogler-leader of the Alaska Independence Party. We all were learning at a seminar of the rights-of-way regulations for building improved trails and roads across federal land. For some building new roads is a huge issue, they would like to develop everything possible. Joe had left his D-9 caterpillar somewhere in the Yukon Charley National Park when the federal government forbid him to make a road with it further. Joe Vogler was an Alaskan patriot who just didn't understand the history of the place well enough. To many people like Joe its just a vast empty space that should be used like the old west was developed-like Seattle is today. For others of us intelligent design and selective minimalist highway construction is desirable. We realize that the environment the roads are being built in are destroyed simultaneously with the construction. Some access roads need to be built for population movements, but they should be very thoughtfully placed and constructed, while some areas should have no roads at all. Joe Vogler sought the Independence of the state of Alaska. When he turned up missing and was found murdered in the Fairbanks landfill a couple of years latter, his will directed that he be buried in Canada so as not to rest in the U.S.A.



Alaska is the Great Land. Its tremendous vistas and feelings of freedom it infuses one with does have an incredible spirit. For many arriving its the first time they have been away from the crowded urban life and it's binding of others with rules in order to prevent mayhem. Alaska still has a little more breathing space than the lower 48, and Alaskans like it that way.

The United States is getting rid of its wilderness areas irresponsibly and flooding the nation with illegal aliens. If Alaska was ever to become independent it should be to preserve the wilderness from destruction by floods of illegal aliens. America could save money by getting rid of Puerto Rico-they have been a sponge territory for too long and should either become a state or get lost. Alaska was not at all reluctant to become a state. Bob Bartlett and other petitioned Congress to let them join in the 1950's when the population was far less than Puerto Rico's.

U.S. Army engineers built the Alaska highway across the Yukon Territory during the war with Japan and Germany-its how Americans drive to Alaska and how Alaskans drive S.U.V.;s south for the winter to the warm weather lakes of California, Nevada, Texas and elsewhere (I don't but I have seen those that do). Global corporations use Alaska as a resource colony and corrupt politicians-few would really consider suicide bombing D.C. and losing their bribes.

Arlington National Cemetery was located on property formerly owned by Robert E. Lee. I once rode a bus pout of D.C. and got locked in the restroom stall in the station where the bus stopped across from the cemetery. It gave me a chance to consider missing the bus and needing to stay for a long time in the hot, oppressive and alternately cold capital area involuntarily. Wars and death are horrible things-especially civil wars.

While formerly I was a soldier-reservist;co mbat engineer, chemical specialist indirect fire infantryman -I do not believe that I would do well personally in revolt against the neo-mercenary military of today the United States awards veteran's preferences to in civil service hiring after discharge. Civil services that don't hire the most intelligent end up with dumb personnel that lead into a recurrent cycle of wars. Of course no guarantee exists that intelligent bureaucrats won't be crooked if not stupid. The consequences for the budget from each deficiency are similar. In Iraq contractors have wasted billions and billions in serving Americans instead of intelligent civil servants.

Well then; since there are probably no real active military in Alaska considering attacking D.C. to let Alaska become independent-that's that. If the United States tosses Alaska out into the world without a nation it will need to have income taxes and form a military. Probably a military would cost far more than the Alaska Permanent Fund has to buy military equipment, and its only got 50 billion I think, or it had before the stock market drop of 2008. If China and Russia invade one day-or if global corporations become a problem and send special forces to murder Alaskan leaders they would need to call someone in Juneau I suppose to go out and get them. Ordinary Alaskans might be fishing or looking for firewood, building igloos for the winter-busy avoiding polar bears and feeding their sled dogs...it could be easier to call some Delta Force people from Fort Rucker or wherever they are to deal with it.


I did have some training with stingers and if the Federal Government gave me one of those 100,000 dollar buggers to revolt with maybe I could shoot down a hostile Air Force, probably missing stealth bombers, multi-launch rockets incoming and so forth-


In the 1930's the U.S. Government spent a lot of money to try to get people to move to the Matanuska Valley outside Anchorage. The Matanuska Colony project was a kind of homesteading program with solid incentives-even so few people took advantage of the opportunity. Everyone hates the U.S. Government policy of running up public debt. Many are tired of the environmental destruction and the on-going flood of illegal aliens and foreign hostile takeover of the democracy of the states-yet few think that breaking up the nation in to independent nations would create a better way to form barriers to anarchy. History teaches us that the greed of global corporations will give up American nationalism for us. After the crash of the United States Alaska will probably be forced to go it alone, and so Alaskans can prepare for an independent energy and economic policy with self-reliance as much as possible, but those damn globalists will co opt and thwart about every rational non-globalist economic direction that either the United States or Alaska takes.



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