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Yes
Created on: May 02, 2011
Should schools enforce mandatory attendance until the age of eighteen?
The law does not recognize a person as an adult until the age of 18 with certain exceptions. Two exceptions that I can think of are the drinking age and charging a minor with an adult crime.
I am a teacher and I have taught high school in an inner-city. We had a few students that genuinely wanted to be there and put forth their best effort pretty much every day. We had some that were there because they HAD to be there and we had a few that did not want to be there.
The ones that wanted to be there were easy to teach. They listened and took notes. They did as I asked and behaved. They raised their hands and were respectful to me and to one another. These are the students that most likely graduated and went to college. These were the students that most teachers want in their rooms every day.
The ones there because they had to be were more challenging. These were the ones that I had to sell myself to. I had to convince them that they could benefit from this class and they could use it in their life. As I taught Personal Finance, among others, this was pretty easy. Once I showed them how to save money and how to make money I had them hooked. I showed them what would happen with a person that started at the age of 18 by investing $2,000.00 a year for 10 years versus a person that waited until he was 28 and invested $2,000.00 per year until he turned 65. The second person does not catch up to the first person. Some of these students were turned on by this information and they decided they wanted to learn. Sadly, not everyone did so and I felt as though the semester was wasted on them.
The students that did not want to be there were easy to identify. They were the ones that did everything they could to interrupt the class. They were obnoxious. They talked despite being asked, and finally being told, not to. They got out of their seats multiple times per class. They always had to go to the bathroom or get water or go to their locker for whatever reason. These students were a PAIN in the rear end and they did not care. I can say they did not care because of their actions and their attitudes. It is an understatement to say they were disrespectful. I was called names and cussed at by these students. I had one student transfer in from another state in March. He fit in every description I just gave. We had several discussions in the hallway. I finally looked at him and said, “Within five years, you will be either dead or in prison”. He said, “You can’t say that to me!” I replied, “I just did; deal with it!” and I went back into my room. I called Administration from then on with any of his problems.
So what is my point? I believe that students that fit this third category should be sent to a special school where they can start learning a trade. Teach them something specific. Train them to be a plummer or an electrician. Teach them something that they can put to use immediately. Since they don’t want to learn the “core” classes, give them something they can do with their hands. After all, one does not need to know American history to repair a car or to weld metal. The quality of education will drastically improve since the troublesome students will be gone. They won’t be interrupting the class with their stupidity. And, the ones in the middle section will see what happens when a student acts up and will have to make a decision on whether he is going to get with the program or be sent off to a trade school.
This is obviously not a perfect plan and many critics will decry its usefulness. However, kids under 18 need to learn something. They need to learn something to be useful in life or they need to learn in order to prepare for college. Either way, our students need to be in school preparing for their futures and, in large part, the future of this republic.
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No
Created on: April 07, 2010
Public Schooling Should Absolutely Not Be Mandatory to Any Age
Absolutely not. We should not force students to go to school until they are eighteen. I would go so far as to argue that public schools are unconstitutional. The one thing that destroys democracy is when government starts favoring any one group of people over another. Yes, education is an example of the government favoring those young people over everyone else.
Sadly, we seem to have an aversion to using simple principles to help us make important decisions in this country. What a pity. You see, when people are given anything that they either haven’t earned or they haven’t asked for, people are rarely going to get something that is good for them. Public education violates those basic principles. What about this principle? When you favor one group of people over another, you create monsters out of the favored group and set them against other groups in their society. Are the nation’s children not completely out of control? Are they not set against the values and authority of their parents and other adults in their community?
Here is what a good government does and here is what I would think that “Equal Protection of the Laws” in the Fourteenth Amendment and the prohibition against “Forced Labor” in the Thirteenth Amendment should cover:
1) Good governments provide services that are equally and directly usable at any time by all citizens regardless of gender, color, age, class, or religion. Our government first faltered when it began to provide help not only to certain classes of people, but also to people in certain age groups. For democracy to stay on track, its people must never allow it to fund programs that directly serve only a particular religion, a particular race, a particular class, a particular gender, or a particular age of citizens. It is by this method that politicians buy votes and it is for this reason that these types of government programs are as unconstitutional as any programs favoring a certain religion or any actions discriminating against a certain race of people. Good governments build roads and infrastructure, provide mail services, form armies, and create libraries and parks that can be directly enjoyed by or a benefit to ALL citizens. It must never be allowed to curry favor with any particular group. Public education is an institution that is perhaps of greatest service to parents who need someone to babysit their children. It directly serves only those parents and their children who attend, and it is not open to any citizen of any age. It is therefore unconstitutional. There must be separation of school and state now. This is absolutely no different from the government pandering to any other group of people out there. It does not EQUALLY benefit everyone in the country at any one moment in time. It is, I say again, unconstitutional.
2) Secondly, forcing young people to go to school with compulsory attendance laws or even dictating to them that they get a certain education or that they learn certain skills is also unconstitutional. No matter how noble a cause education may seem to be, we have enslaved many children and families whose children either do not enjoy or appreciate education in general or do not enjoy many of the classes they are forced to take in our nation’s public schools. Taxes are the one and only thing that just governments should ever be allowed to compel people to do beyond those laws which constrain people from those activities that endanger, hurt, or take advantage of other citizens. It is simply unconstitutional to prey on children and young people because they are as powerless as African Americans used to be in the south back in the days before the Civil War and before Civil Rights.
Here are some simple and sad facts about public education:
Public Education has been doing nothing but getting worse since its inception. It has not become worse because its students, teachers, parents and administrators are not doing their job right, it has become worse because it improperly uses public funds AND enslaves and institutionalizes a certain segment of the population. That, by itself, is what is destroying America.
Public Education cannot force children to learn who don’t want to learn. It can’t force children to like classes and subjects that they do not like and for which they have no talent.
Public Education does a very poor job at doing anything but that which its students enjoy most: having expensive sports programs and having ill-conceived dirty dances, neither of which are essential skills or recommended activities for our young people whom we wish to grow up to be functional, successful, and happily married.
Public Education robs parents of the decisions and responsibilities which are properly theirs. It causes parents to be abdicators of their parenthood instead of parents who actively engage in guiding their children towards a career AND/OR a family.
I am aware of the fact that our public schools are FULL of teachers, coaches, and administrators who are genuinely doing their best to serve the nation’s children. The problem is not their intentions but the constitutionality and the unintentional damage done to these children by being institutionalized the way they are.
Want the bottom line, which will surely be found to be most controversial? Public education most serves those mothers who want out of their homes so they can get into the workforce. However, one of the biggest reasons that our children are sleeping with each other anywhere and everywhere they can find an empty house and an empty bed is because there are so many mothers who are NOT at home because they are out working jobs that make them unable to be there for their children all the time, as they need to be. Only a small fraction of mothers are able to find perfect jobs that allow them to be there for their children when they leave for school and when they get home. Latchkey children suffer AND get into trouble. Government must stop subsidizing this nonsense. It is weakening these kids' future marriages which injures the prospects of the next generation of children to be able to live in peace and stability in their homes.
Furthermore, our kids are becoming oversocialized to their peers and undersocialized to those they need to be imitating more, their parents and other adults in their communities. People identify with those people in their lives who are able to pour real one on one time and attention into their lives. No teacher can hope to do that for a child who isn’t theirs and who they don’t see more than so many minutes a day in a classroom setting. Even teacher-student mentoring programs can’t solve this problem as there is not real one on one time available through these programs.
Sorry, public education is not the panacea is has been built up to be for so many decades now. If anything it seems to be less and less of a panacea, and more and more of an anathema.
Private education will find its way to those who need it and those who are willing to pay for it. Then it will be appreciated, well targeted to a student’s true potential, and wisely and efficiently utilized. As for now the kids really couldn’t care less about school, just ask them…
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