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Should the US war crimes trial at Guantanamo Bay be held while we're at war?

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No
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No

by William Cobbs

Created on: August 13, 2008

The War Crimes trials should not be held at Guantanamo nor anywhere else in the jurisdiction of the United States.
We have an international tribunal in the Hague and are a member of it as are all of the civilized nations in the world. It is presently trying a war criminal from Bosnia...one may follow that trial to get an idea of how the international tribunal works.

But there are extremely important reasons why MILITARY courts should not try war criminals...note the usage "war criminals" and not the buzz word, terrorists.

America has let the United States government with careful contrived legislation give much too much freedom to military courts. When one analyses the motives behind this, they reflect a wanting of the death penalty for terrorists which does not exist in the International Court of the Hague, life imprisonment instead. But seekers of blood have contrived a new kind of court to try to have a capital punishment available.

Let us look at the usual and previous status of the military laws and courts:
First, to be tried, a culprit has to be in the American services and having broken its (military) laws, is subject to Courts Martial and whatever sentence is passed, including the death penalty.

The usual military court consists of a board of officers, usually of major or above, but sometimes not...in war time, a courts martial can be convened within a company in the field and sentence carried out there...but modern usage has even there required the approval of the Commanding General.

Once the sentence has been confirmed, and in particular in capital or death penalty cases, the sentence passes through chain of command AUTOMATICALLY,. The final court appeal is the Court of Appeals of Uniform Justice, seated in Washington, D.C. and having three judges and three commissioners. One judge is the Chief Judge, and he can act as tie-breaker, or simply re-hear any case where there is substntial complaint. The only relief above it, the court, is pardon by the President,rarely used.

American law uses a great deal of precedent, or reference to previously conducted trials.
There is only precedent WITHIN the Uniform Code Of Military Justice that the military may look for reasons to try, or confirm a sentence, or to carry-out a confirmed sentence.

In other words, any trial taking place in Guantanamo for an American soldier would be correct, and its outcome or sentence would then be pased up the chain of command, eventually reaching the three judges and three commissioners of the U.S. Court of Military Appeals.
There attornies, chose or assigned, argue the appeals in that court.

It would seem that the United States would have been very pleased to have the Court at The Hague take over the trial of some 200 'war criminals' the proper word for 'terrorist'

The outcome of the FIRST trial was triumph for law in spite of the openly unfair system that had been set-up. The defense attorney accurately explained to the court that being the driver for a true war criminal does not make one a war criminal...we did not in World War II at the properly constituted War Criminals Trial at Nuremberg try Hitler's chauffeur. As a matter of fact, he, young and blond and personable, wrote a book and appeared in a film about being the monster's driver. Many precedents of this type can be seen in history.

Now with that background, should the trials, at the Hague OR at Guantanamo be held while the war continues, the answer is a large "NO". It is imposible in the vindictiveness and heat of a war that an enemy combatant should be tried with respect to normal American tenets of law...and the act of CREATING an especially adapted court JUST for one set of possible miscreants is certainly not constitutional or in step with America.

Some ill-informed and unlettered persons who despise the culture and ways of our enemies among the Islamites see the present Guantanamo situation as a way to punish the mass of followers when we know full well that in some cases, and certainly in the case of Osama Ben Ladens driver, they did not know at all about the preparation and execution of the attack on New York by high-jacked plane.

Another small point:

We don't OWN Guantanamo Bay and mainland: we LEASED it on a "permanent lease" basis from the predecessor of Castro and his minions, Batista. A point of law come up: can we really have a trial in a foreign land, and give a foreign people a fair break in their defense? This writer thinks not.

There is no doubt whatsoever that we should KEEP Guantanomo as our bastion Naval Base to oversee the plottings of Raoul Castro and his followers and eventual replacements...it is to our advantage to have sixty miles from Havana a force that could quickly overcome any overt miltary acts by Cuba.
(Truthfully, CUBA seems to be decommunizing at present..brother Raoul sees the writing on the wall for Marx and Engels).

Summing up, NO, we should not use GUANTANAMO as a trial base...we should carefully look at what we have learned( without torture!) in the years since 911 about these people, and if any connection with the ACT at 911, each one found so at once to the Hague;others, probably the majority, should be returned to not neccesarily Afghanistan, but to whereever the least Al Quaeda activity is in a Moslem country.

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Yes

by margaret hillcroft

Created on: August 13, 2008   Last Updated: October 31, 2010

"Even one day is too much time
To be hung without a charge, to be condemned without a crime
Cruel irony, in the land of liberty.
And when it come to human rights
Why is it always in some foreign land we choose to stand and fight
When will they realise, its right before our eyes.

Ah but justice is a fickle thing
One law for the common man, another for the king
And don't you know when kings can't win the game
It wont be long before the rules are changed
And its all justified when you're on the winning side."

This song came from Ireland and I am sorry I do not have the name of the writer to accompany these bitter and poignant lyrics. They could equally well apply to Guantanamo Bay and all the corruption, twisting of words and invention of new laws and use of legal loopholes which have been the hallmark of the US authorities in their dealings with detainees in this notorious prison.

In the good old days of proper wars, there was a well-defined enemy, well- defined POW camps and a well-defined Geneva Convention to protect the rights of prisoners held until the end of the war when victory was declared.

The "war against terror" is not a proper war. The war in Iraq is not a proper war. It started, at best, as a misguided act of revenge against a regime which was supposed to be behind the dreadful happenings of 9/11. The detainees held at Guantanamo are not proper prisoners of war. They are suspected unlawful "enemy combatants". The prison is not a proper POW camp. It is an "intelligence gathering center" and thus exempt from any controls in place to protect inmates. There is no "victory" to be had and no apparent end to the conflict in either Iraq or Afghanistan.

In short, there are no rules except those which have been invented to suit the situation and defend the position of the USA.

Many of the detainees at Guantanamo have been arrested without charge. Some have been handed over by Pakistani bounty hunters. There are boys from as young as ten years old and old men, taxi drivers and farm workers held for an indefinite period without trial and with no rights. Suspects, possible terrorists, potential informers are all captive and wasting their lives away in this place that is shrouded for the main part in secrecy and about which most reports are negative.

There is no solitary confinement, simply "single cell accommodation." Inmates can communicate through the walls. The lights are reported to be on 24 hours so there is no comfort of darkness. Exercise sessions are minimal. There is no access to sunlight and fresh air. No visits from family. No television, no radio and one telephone call a year. Some detainees have committed suicide and others are going insane, too insane to prepare their defense and fight their corner.

These people must be given a fair trial, in full knowledge of their rights, with proper legal representation, without delay or excuses. There is nothing to debate. Should we wait until the war is over? If that means it is OK to hold possibly innocent individuals in cruel and inhumane conditions for as many years it takes to eradicate the dark side of human nature, then by all means but the wait will be long. Make no mistake, there have always been "terrorists". If the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" means anything, certainly not.

Amnesty International was rightly born from democracy and its freedoms, spawned from the lands of liberty. They have fought for the rights of political prisoners the world over because of the conviction that in the democratic free world, no-one should be imprisoned because of their beliefs, religion or political views and that everyone, even those arrested for a specific crime with evidence to support the arrest, is entitled to a trial and to defense in court. They continue to fight for the suspected terrorist activists, not because they condone violence and the killing of innocents but because they believe in justice and equal rights amongst men and women the world over.

The activities at Guantanamo Bay make a mockery of all that democratic world stands for. It shows the dark side of the "free world" to be as dark as that of the "enemy". In a country that purports to embrace a Christian morality, the words "love your neighbor as you would love yourself" seem to have been conveniently forgotten. Were US citizens to be treated in this way, the outcry would be loud and forceful. Those wasted and tortured lives in Guantanamo are the war crime. The trial should start now.

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