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No

by Tom Koecke

Created on: December 30, 2007

This is always a tough sell because of the sheer number of people who will vote that the electoral college should be eliminated. If the arguments encountered in this debate are typical arguments presented in other debates I have had on this topic, the arguments will include (1) the US was founded as a democracy, (2) the Electoral College did not exist prior to 1804, and (3) modern technology does away with the need for the Electoral College. Each of these arguments is incorrect, and the numbers of people who buy into these falsehoods is the greatest argument for retaining the Electoral College.

Though it sounds nice to say the US was founded on the principle of democracy, it was actually formed as a representative republic. The intentions of the founding fathers were to limit the control the federal government has on the states. The founding fathers recognized that the interests varied from state to state. They put forth that ideal in the formation of Congress, in which each state is granted two Senators and a varying number of Representatives based on population. The argument that the country was founded as a democracy is further eroded by the fact that population, for the purposes of representation in Congress, included calculating slaves as worth three-fifths of a natural person. While some historical facts about the US include racist and misogynist elements, those have been corrected with regard to representation in the federal government. The point is not to defend those ethics as valid, but rather to prove that the US was established as a representative republic and not a democracy.

The argument that the Electoral College was created through the twelfth amendment to the Constitution is also incorrect. The amendment in 1804 served to allow the Executive to select a Vice President running mate. The amendment changed Article II of the Constitution that declared the candidate with the second most electoral votes as the Vice President. This resulted in odd combinations in the Executive Branch of government in that John Adams, the man who would be king, served as Vice President for George Washington, who rejected the offer to become king. Jefferson, who was politically opposed to John Adams, served as his Vice President. Though the government worked through those administrations, the next Vice President, Aaron Burr, who killed the first Secretary of the Treasury in a duel, proved the need for those in the Executive Branch to work in concert with the Executive rather than opposed to the President. Jefferson served his second term with a Vice President not so reckless and power hungry as Aaron Burr. The point, however, is that the contention that the Electoral College exists because of the twelfth amendment is incorrect.

The argument that technology does away with the need for the Electoral College disregards the reason the Electoral College was deemed necessary. That notwithstanding, anyone who watched the votes sway in Florida in 2000 because of technological flaws, or has had his or her identity stolen, should understand that technology is not foolproof. It is a popular argument, but it is unsound in both its reasoning and concept.

I would contend that many of the people who argue against the Electoral College were disgruntled by the election in 2000. However, that was not the first time a President was elected without receiving a majority of votes. Thomas Jefferson had fewer than half the electoral votes in 1800, tying the 99 Aaron Burr received. John Quincy Adams, Rutherford B. Hayes, and Benjamin Harrison, however, became Presidents despite having fewer votes than candidates they defeated. The elections of John Quincy Adams and Rutherford B. Hayes were far more controversial than the election of 2000, which was more in line with the controversial election of Benjamin Harrison. John Quincy Adams lost resoundingly to Andrew Jackson, but manipulated the Electoral College vote by promising a Cabinet position to the third place finisher. Together, they had more than one-half the electoral votes, though Jackson had the most. Rutherford B. Hayes' election in 1876 is, by far, the most controversial in American history. Not only did he lose the popular election to Samuel Tilden, who failed to get more than one-half the electoral votes, the process to elect the President through the House of Representatives in such circumstances was also circumvented. The Republican was elected by a committee of five, which was comprised of three Republicans and two Democrats. The elections of Benjamin Harrison in 1888 and George Bush in 2000 were the result of majority votes in the Electoral College, despite receiving fewer votes than another candidate.

The concept of democracy is not "he with the most votes wins;" it is "majority rules." To contend that the problem with the Electoral College giving us two Presidents who lost the popular vote, discounts that it also has given us Presidents who would not have won "popular majority" without it. Eliminating Hayes, Harrison, and Bush as Presidents who did not get the most votes, James Garfield, Grover Cleveland (twice), Woodrow Wilson (first term), Harry Truman, Richard Nixon (first term), and Bill Clinton (first term) were elected despite receiving fewer than one-half the popular votes cast in elections since 1872. Since no candidates in those elections received more than one-half the popular votes, how would "a majority" be determined? Technology does not resolve that problem; the Electoral College does.

Finally, among the many things the cities of New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago likely have in common, is that those three cities have more population than twenty states. Combined, those three cities have more population than the fourth most populous state (Florida), and Texas is the only state that has more population than those three cities except for New York and California (Illinois is the fifth most populated state, despite that Chicago is the third most populated city). To shift the process for electing the President to popular vote rather than leaving it in the Electoral College would be the same as the federal government only representing the interests of urban America.

The Electoral College is certainly not a perfect system. It is, however, the best system to make sure that America remains a representative republic by giving rural America representation in Presidential elections.

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Sources:

History of the Electoral College: http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/INFORMATION/electcollege_history.php
The Original US Constitution: http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/freedom/constitution/text.html
The Twelfth Amendment: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment12/
Population by States: http://www.demographia.com/db-2000stater.htm
Population by Cities: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html
Results of Presidential Elections: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781450.html
The Election of John Quincy Adams in 1824: http://www.presidentprofiles.com/Washington-Johnson/Adams-John-Quincy.html
The Election of Rutherford B. Hayes in 1876: http://www.presidentprofiles.com/Grant-Eisenhower/Hayes-Rutherford-B.html

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Yes

by Lou Jones

Created on: February 06, 2008

The Electoral College, like almost everything that stands between the voter and our nation's policy, should be abolished. (In case you're wondering, the one check I would want to see on direct democracy would be a solid ban on the creation of referendums based in bigotry, hatred, and other vile -isms. So vote on where your taxes go, on labor laws, on how much we should spend on this that, or the other, but no voting that all left-handed people must be confined in left-handed reeducation camps until they become right-handed. Just get over your childhood fear of an elbow hitting you in your ribs at the dinner table, already!)

It's bad enough that our choices have always been narrowed down to two rich white guys who promised the most goodies to the world's richest corporations (wink wink nudge nudge can't promise anything really, that would be illegal but...you take care of me, and...chuckle). At least this year, maybe racism and sexism will take a long-overdue pounding, but I'll believe in miracles when they happen.

Then we get to wonder if those friendly voting machines are going to count our votes accurately. Do the Democrats have their own voting machine company buddies yet, or at least their own hackers?

Then there are the third parties. Who? Yeah. Those guys. The ones you never hear about, because they didn't make enough rich corporations happy, so they're lucky to have a dozen commercials on the air, and of course they're banned from the debates. Heaven forbid they actually be allowed to ask or answer a question outside the narrow strip of center-right that candidates from both of the major parties stick so carefully to.

Back to the electoral college. Just one of many gripes I have about our political system, in case I was being too quiet and reserved for you to pick up on my discontent. What is this relic still hanging around for? We've got yo-yos in Congress foaming at the mouth, eager to alter the Constitution to protect us from two grown adults cavorting in same-sex matrimony and a Supreme Court so happy to ignore the Bill of Rights that it pats the US government on the head and says it's okay to violate the Constitutional rights of a US citizen, since they've since ceased said violations (after two years of holding a man without charges, representation, and protection against cruel and unusual punishment), but we can't get rid of this stinking Electoral College?

Even if you're willing to overlook seemingly random electronic voting errors that without exception favored one candidate, the right of the people to choose their President in 2000 was ignored in favor of an outdated traditional junk system that prevents a Republican in, say, California and a Democrat in say, Texas, from having a vote, since his or her vote will never find it's way to the final count, by virtue of his or her living in a state with a majority of voters who prefer the other candidate. Good luck to supporters of third parties, despite attempts at vote swapping state-to-state (an attempt to enfranchise that brought howls from all sides of the Twoparty franchise), voters who favor third parties are even more out of luck than the luckless lone Democrat or Republican.

Why do we keep this system around? Is it because we inherently distrust people who live crammed together in big cities and packed into tiny states? Does having elbow room and a bit of pasture make you a saner voter than does dodging your fellow human beings in Queens on your way to your walk-up apartment? Do we Americans fear New Yorkers and Californians so much we're willing to advocate their continued disenfranchisement via watered-down vote power?

Does living in a big state with less people in it make you more American than living a few blocks from the Statue of Liberty? How about if you live near the White House? How many citizen points do you get to slap down on your ballot for living in DC? That ought to be worth at least two New Yorkers, a Californian, four Alaskans (since Alaska came late to the statehood thing anyway) and at least a Texan and a half, right? And why do Floridians get the power vote? Come on, can you really trust people who live in a state devoted to theme parks, with a heat index that would make a MENSA member drop twenty IQ points, even in November?

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