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Yes
Created on: December 02, 2007
Any reading of the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, and/or the Bill of Rights, will make one thing abundantly clear. These men went to great pains to keep Religion out of Official documents. The closest they come to mentioning Religion links it to Nature. The "In God We Trust" on our money was added much later, and putting "Under God" was done in the 1950's, as I learned the Pledge of Allegiance without it and then had to consciously relearn it. Our Founding Fathers well knew the danger of mixing Religion and Governance; many had fled Europe because of Official Religious differences. They did not want any Church of England' creating difficulty for the Democracy they had just brought into being.
Seemingly, they felt that a person's beliefs were personal and privately held. To be sure, there is no wording in those documents prohibiting a religious person from holding Office, and logic should inform that they will make their decisions through the lens of their beliefs. There is no wording that prohibits the establishment of places of worship, nor the freedom to worship what ever, and how ever, one chooses. But the Establishment Clause does instruct that there will be no Official Religion, and, by default, no Religious use of Public land.
Public land is land held by the People in general. The People, have a variety of beliefs, and to allow one symbol of one belief is to open the door to all symbols of all beliefs. The all-inclusive is impossible to attain, so the reasonable person sees that the all-excluded is the only viable option. I used reasonable person' much as it is used in Law. People can dress and adorn themselves in a manner their beliefs dictate, and appear in public places if they wish. It is, after all, their body that is the religious billboard, not the public space they visit.
I can certainly see why we, as a People, would want the first Ten Amendments on our Court House walls, but I fail to see the relevance of the Ten Commandments to Jurisprudence. In fact, I absolutely do not want to use any Religious laws or rules in judging guilt or innocence. We are, supposedly, a Nation of Laws after all, not a Nation of Religious Laws. I do not want any Religious depictions on my town's Green area, nor other land held in trust for the People. I can not control what happens on Private property, that is up to the owner. I am aghast that our Public Airwaves are not considered Public Space, as other rented or leased Public Land is, but they are not, and many forget that they are actually Public Airwaves.
Lest one think that I am too hard on Religion when discussing whether or not there can be Public displays of Religious symbols, let me tell a little illustrative story. In Oregon, the compromise among the Congress Critters was that, rather than eliminate the Opening Prayer ceremony of the Legislature, it was more appropriate to rotate that duty equally among all Religions. Things went rather well until it came time for a Wiccan to give the Opening Prayer. Half the Congress Critters got up and walked out. So, will you please tell me how we can allow any government sanctioned Religious display, when the very people we entrust to write Law and wisely guide us are so narrow minded and hypocritical? Explain to me how and why one particular Religion is "acceptable" while another is not.
It should be as obvious to us now, as it was to those who Declared their Independence from England, fought a long and bloody War to secure that Independence, and wrote the first, and finest, Democracy into existence; Religion has no place in Official Governance, Official Policy, nor Publicly held Land, Buildings, or Monuments. To use an old, but still serviceably true, sayingFreedom of Religion should also be Freedom from Religion.
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No
Created on: October 10, 2008
To ban religion from all public places would be an impossible task, because everywhere we look we are reminded of how this nation was founded on Christian principles and our founding fathers wanted to always remind us of that fact by placing symbols and emblems all over Washington D.C. buildings, in official documents, and historical speeches.
In 1861, then Secretary of the Treasury, Salmon Chase wrote a letter to the Director of the Mint at Philadelphia and here is what the letter said:
"Dear Sir: No nation can be strong except in the strength of God, or safe except in His defense. The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins. You will cause a device to be prepared without unnecessary delay with a motto expressing in the fewest and tersest words possible this national recognition. It was found that the Act of Congress dated January 18, 1837, prescribed the mottoes and devices that should be placed upon the coins of the United States."
So, you see, even Atheists carry change in their pockets and if they sincerely and truly believed as they speak, they wouldn't, because every time they buy a coke, "In God We Trust" stares them right in the face.
How about the "Pledge of Allegiance To The U. S. Flag"?
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for all."
We have tried to take the words "under God" out of this pledge, but in most situations people still say those words.
Do you know what immediately preceeds all the signatures on our U. S. Constitution? Here's what they all signed:
"Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the states present the seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the twelfth."
So far, if religion was removed from all public places, we would have to destroy the U. S. Constitution, trash all of our currency and coins, and burn the "Pledge of Allegiance", but we're not finished yet.
Have you ever participated in singing the song "America The Beautiful" or have you ever listened to the song? Here are some of the words:
"O beautiful for spacious skies, For amber waves of grain, For purple mountain majesties Above the fruited plain! America!America! God shed his grace on thee And crown thy good with brotherhood From sea to shining sea!"
Here's how our Declaration of Independence begins:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Ok, now in addition to burning the Constitution, destroying all of our currency and coins, eliminating the "Pledge of Allegiance", tearing down most of the government buildings in Washington, D. C., destroying all of our historical documents, we must now destroy the Declaration of Independence and never sing "America The Beautiful" again.
There's one more thing. Senate Bill 1378, introduced by Senator Strom Thurmond, passed both houses and enacted a permanent national day of prayer. After this bill was passed, some 33 governors and 150 mayors issued proclamations to commemorate this national day of prayer.
Those of us who totally understand and realize what was going through the minds of our founding fathers must always fight for the right to practice our religion in public places, but we will never stop fighting.
The First Amendment of our U. S. Constitution is a constant, permanent reminder that we are a free nation and freedom of religion is still guaranteed. Religion will never be totally removed from the public eye.
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