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Should illegal immigrants be entitled to receive benefits?

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by help, i'm surrounded by liberals

Created on: February 29, 2008

Should illegal immigrants be entitled to receive benefits?

The United States relationship with the undocumented community and whether they should receive benefits cannot be answered with a simple no or yes answer, so I'm going to err on the side of human rights and say yes.

In 1997 we passed the Personal Work and Responsibility Act, which was a program designed to help provide temporary cash assistance to low income women and families who are working, and help get them back to work, by providing free or affordable child care.
Since the beginning, the Federal rules for "Temporary Assistance to Needy Families" requires women who receive the cash benefits to eventually attend work training, and undocumented citizens, including PRUCOL aliens, were never qualified to recieve cash grants for this program.

However, there was a loophole in the program.

The babies of undocumented women, are not considered "undocumented", but are given cash benefits as citizens, under the "Zero Parent" category for funding.

As with all funding and programs, the Federal government has one set of rules for a program, and the state has another, especially the state of California

California created a wider choice of options that women could do INSTEAD of work, which still allowed them to qualify for cash, such

Advocates and legislation was passed in California to allow undocumented women who did not speak "English" to be exempted from the work requirements, and even though they were not qualified to receive the cash benefits.

Social service agencies provided loophole programs for undocumented women to receive funding to attend training,through state legislation and advocacy, and the legal people in the household received cash by a loophole which categorizes other members in the immediate household of the undocumented woman as "assistance units".

Hispanic advocacy groups in California such as the Mexican Opportunity Fund, were given huge government grants to run the "alternative payments programs" which provide babysitting cash money to CalWorks recipients.

The Mexican Opportunity Fund is the largest alternative payments provider in California
receiving millions of dollars worth of funding, to manage.

This large advocacy program, and other splinter special interest "Hispanic" programs like this have focused on providing the undocumented women and the Hispanic community with cash assistance.

Ten years since the program began, it has grown over 890% past it's original budget, and has helped fuel a baby boom of undocumented Hispanic women in Southern California.

California has a responsibility to it's American citizens and legal residents to help work through this situation, and so far, it has not been able to do this.

After several amnesties undocumented people, who have been encouraged by their legal residents to come to California, have children who are legal United States citizens, qualify for benefits which range from school lunches to low income housing.

I believe the best way forward for California, and it's undocumented population is not to cut them off of benefits, but to first and foremost instill some accountability into our benefits system, and so far, state and federal government has not been able to come up with an identification program which is acceptable to United States citizens or undocumented citizens and their advocates.

A few years ago, advocates were pushing the legislature to give the undocumented community identification, while Californians did not want this.

The situation changed dramatically when immigration legislation and federal rulings were close to passing, which would fine employers who hired undocumented citizens.

Powerful unions who were originally behind the legislation from the beginning, were now it's biggest enemies. They blocked the legislation, and this is where we stand today.

One solution would be to fine the employee's small fine's instead of the employers. Small fines might be more acceptable to both undocumented citizens, and employers and allow state governments with large immigrant populations to move forward with passing I.D.

In the meantime, their are kids to feed and women to educate and cutting off benefits is not an option for humanitarian reasons.

However, getting an identification system going is important. There is alot of fraud that goes along with people not having secure I.D. or household members who don't pay taxes not reporting household earnings. Many women simply wouldn't qualify if the household earning were reported accurately, and secure identification would go a long way towards solving this, though I am not going to hold my breath waiting for it.

California has a terribly blocked legislature which doesn't really move forward on these issues, and so, compromise may not be possible here.

I think the best bet for reducing benefits to the undocumented citizen, is to work with the Hispanic community to convince their people not to invite MORE undocumented people.

From a Federal perspective, many of these originally "undocumented" women, will become sponsored for green cards, NO MATTER WHAT ADVOCATES TELL YOU, about the "poor" undocumented people. It is estimated that roughly 40% of all undocumented people are "visa overstays", and though it is a long drawn out process in some cases, many many of these people will eventually qualify for green cards.

The United States has a generous green card program which gives over 1.2 MILLION green cards away every year. I believe the Federal government should enforce the rules on the "Affidavit of Sponsorship" which asks green card sponsors to sign a waiver guaranteeing that they take financial responsibility for "life" of their sponsee's, and will not put them on public benefits.

While I think this rule is very stern, again, I think having an identification system, would help the United States Custom and Immigration determine if green card sponsors need to work harder to take care of the loved one's they have invited to the United States, whether they started off here legally or not.

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No

by Buddy Miller

Created on: April 18, 2008

That illegal immigrants are currently drawing benefits from our government is offensive to me. As a compassionate American citizen, I can see that life is not easy for illegal immigrants. Mexico and Central America are the source of most of those crossing the U.S. Southern borders without papers. It should be noted the Mexican government encourages it's citizens to go north and even publishes brochures to show how to best be successful in crossing our borders. Once here the illegal or in some cases the entire illegal's family are often beset by a multitude of problems.

The U.S. is not the land of milk and honey, but we do have what someone from another country would see as a great resource: our Social Safety Net. With everything from sympathetic churches to well-meaning citizen's groups, the illegal immigrant now has a sophisticated network of supporters that aid their every step. One of the most damaging things that these "good" citizens do is to work their magic on the social welfare systems to arrange everything from jobs, drivers licenses, fake identification, food stamps, maternity services and safe-houses.

For every job that is taken by an illegal immigrant it is an opportunity that is erased for an American citizen and a legal green-card carrying immigrant. Yes, there are legal immigrants that are looking for jobs too. What gives the illegal immigrants the rights to come to this country and work illegally, draw benefits from our Social Welfare System, intentionally have children that according to a very silly law entitles those children to citizenship automatically and not assimilate into our culture? The Emergency Rooms are overflowing in small-town America with Spanish-speaking families. Who pays for all this? Citizen Taxpayers are paying in the billions of dollars. This is not simply a question of those towns in proximity of the southern border, but towns in Michigan, Minnesota and New York. This is a national economic drive-by.

The Federal government agencies whose sole purpose is to protect our borders are not doing their job. As a result we have people in government who would rather engage in a cultural experiment rather than enforce our laws. Why are we paying these guys and funding their agencies? These agencies are suffering bureaucratic dysfunction in so many areas that it simply must be by design of our Congress and President. Nowhere is this apathy toward the problem more apparent than our current President Bush. Of course, none of his likely successors are thinking much differently toward solving this problem. Federal dollars are not being spent to compensate the local economies that are struggling with this invasion across our Southern border.

While our country is apparently at war according to our President, our borders remain porous to all manner of entrants. That the problem is well-known and nothing is apparently being done leads me to believe this might be some sort of international conspiracy. Should we call Austin Powers? Instead of controlling our border as the Federal Government is charged to do under our Constitution, we have no real actions taken and we are reaping the problems associated with Washington's idiocy on this problem.

Our social welfare system, our public education system and our general economy is suffering from this invasion. The only real actions necessary to limit these problems are admittedly complicated and somewhat distasteful. We must immediately control our porous borders for the sake of controlling immigration and primarily national security. That our dim-witted President George W. Bush and Congress did not move the military to our borders after 9/11 is a tribute to more than something in the Washington, D.C., water supply. This is a clear violation of the Constitution which requires them to act on matters of national security. This very issue is being used to frustrate local officials trying to enforce national immigration law. Immigration is Constitutionally a Federal responsibility. I say if your house is dirty, grab a broom.

Perhaps the simplest way to respond to the Mexican government's encouragement of their citizens coming to America would be to adopt the Mexican government's immigration policies as our own. "Google" that important issue and you will see just how the Mexicans would handle Americans wading the Rio Grande into their country without immigration documentation.

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