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Is Iran already at war with the US?

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No
43% 107 votes Total: 251 votes
Yes
57% 144 votes
No

If buiding up nuclear forces and perennially increasing military budget were a war then Iran would qualify-yet then it would be an existential war upon anyone generally perhaps, rather than just with the United STates of America. China would thus qualify as well leading the world in military spending growth annually for a while. We prefer to not consider the buid-up to war, as actual war. Unlike world war one and two scenarios for Germany that in the pre-war phase nearly automatically started a war as the cars of war production had built up too much speed to stop in front of the starting line in 1914 and 1939 respectively, China and Iran could in theory yet avoid the problems of war. It is difficult to imagine an Iran with nuclear weapons in the hands of dogmatic Ayatollahs not able at some point to launch upon Tel Aviv. The United States is considered by some Muslim tacticians to be the fundamental obstruction to world conquest, yet simultaneously the enabler for Mohammedan hegemony and eventual takeover; the U.S. failure to develop independent from oil alternative energy has enriched the Muslim world far beyond what they should have expected. Muslim riots in CHina are in part a reciprocol of Chinese dependence upon fossil fuels as well.

The media and the democrats called the national political reconstruction of Iraq following the 2003 war, a war until 2009-the word has become debased quite a lot. Thus Iran may have a secret war on-going with the U.S.A. though no one knows about it except the cognoscenti. It is possible that Iran does terrorist organizations with the U.S.A.'s national interests occasionally a target. If so it would be better to ask if Iran is already doing secret terrorism upon the United States and or it's national interests. The answer to that question should be determined by the secret C.I.A. analytical people and perhaps provided for presentation by the Secretary of State to the United Nations. Transitions in post-war Iraq comprising reorganization and the fundamental Sunni radical opposition to democracy in preference for rule by Mohammedan theocratic law (Sharia) through civilian terrorism were not a war in a conventional sense, although casualties do occur in Muslim terrorist efforts to abort the growth of democracy in nations with a Mohammandanist majority.

It is difficult to credit the globalist broadcast media with trust-they support a globalist element concentrating wealth and political power and would obviously like to subordinate Iran to their profit potential; yet President Aminidinijab re-elected by a Nixon degree landslide that some say was a rigged election also has little credibility in the west for trust. He is a lunatic dedicated to the destruction of Israel and is radically arming his nation with nuclear weapons (in development) and missiles with cooperation from North Korea. Rather than taking an assertive policy for his nation's interests he takes an internationally belligerent position. With the U.S. election of a President of Barrack Hussein Obama Iranian Shi'a obviously were encourage by their own Shi'a leader's influence in making the United States select a man with the middle name of the founder of the Shia brand of Mohammedanism-that false religion worship a pagan god named Allah that was the tribal god of the Qu'raysh tribe from which Mohammad's father was keeper of the 360 pagan god at the Kaaba (Egyptian origin term for spirit house) were the black stone meteorite bowed to by pre-Mohammedan pagan followers of Allah and other demi-urges headquartered as idols. The petroleum and gas power of the warrior religion following the false prophet of syncretism is waxing with American dependence on foreign cars and fuel. Republican globalists have put America in deep foreign debt and kiss up to the OPEC nations; they lust after Iranian oil fields and hate any sort of barriers to their corporate expansion. Radical fundamentalist Mohammedanism is a speck in their eyes, a burr in their butt, a fruitcake in their lunchbox and understandably the dumb policies they exert to moderate Iranian belligerency are ineffective as is their domestic policies on health care reform, non-fossil fuel based trans-national corporate free energy independence and so forth.

Iran is the ancient Ayran nation ) pronounce the Ay as 'I'. It is a prideful and volatile nation full of the history of waiting for the perfect Imam to lead the people closer unto theocratic wonder. In Iran theocracy unities political and religious belief. The sons of Ali were slaughtered creating that permanent Sunni-Shi'a rift centuries ago, but somehow Americans need to get in to the Middle Asian problems in some way because it can. I it possible that American environmentalism could overcome Iranian hatred of American materialism, there are aspects of materialism I dislike myself-especially the triumph of Satanic spiritlessness over civil rights and individual free expression. Societies than punish the spiritually minded through financial means are closely aligned with the devil I would think.

The United States is at brain lock with Iran-a technical form of belligerency of a moderate sort. It is not within the intellectual capacity of U.S. politicians to think there way into forms of mutually better relations with Iran-they just can't do that nor get the U.S.A. onto independent home power electrical production to power U.S. built electric motivation platforms on intelligent American highways that also collect solar power when the sun shines.

Moderate amounts of belligerency in select bi-lateral political relations is advantageous for the maintenance of power by special interest groups that do not wish to become socially irrelevant such as could happen in a peaceable democratic society with no worries. Fossil fuels provide income streams to many global leadership cliques and politicians cannot much take the top jobs without baying loyally to the demi urge of oil wells, proven and hidden oil reserves.

Popular analysts of American foreign policy seem to often to provide an amnesia based policy that conveniently disregards cogent analysis of history and interrelated causation that have shaped the present state of political relations. In the case of Iranian-American bilateral relations the amnesia is nearly complete. At least selective memory is all that is allowed to disturb the frequently unilateral analysis that is predicated on the criteria that the United States is a sort of Mr. Goodness seeking only peace and distribution of Famous Amuses cookies to the world and nations such as Iran bite the hand that feeds them. Is that the real state of affairs?

http://www.iranian.c om/Opinion/2000/Apri l/Constitution/index .html

Not to seem to be supportive of the usual mix of anti-American rhetoric provided by those with trans-national interests from corporations to Muslims to communists, I nevertheless would point out some of the history that has shaped American relations with Mr. Putin and Russia as an example of the non-simplicity and amnesiac state of affairs. Since the end of the cold war America leaped into a pro-Muslim support of anti-Serbian elements of an orthodox nature that Russia supported angering the Russians at least a little. Iran as the Shi'a alternative to the Sunni is another factor, then the U.S. went and succeeded in Afghanistan a bit were the Soviets failed, and had agreements in Tadzhikstan and with the other Afghanistan revolutionaries. The U.S. supported the Ukraine and the independence of Russian affiliated states, and seeks to impose anti-ballistic missiles in Poland-the tradition of invasion of Russia from the west and east are traditional Russian concerns. All of these elements comprise some of the present fossil fuel prioritized policy with Russia, and of course the same elements with different content apply to Iranian relations...it just isn't simple.

War and peace are not simply a matter of definition as specious as many 'wars' of American vintage the past 20 years. The war on drugs, the war on poverty, the war on taxes, the war on illegal immigration, the war on organized crime, the war on illiteracy; when so many applications of the word war are use so liberally isn't it natural that some would wonder what war actually is? There must be a term better for describing mass civil mobilizations that aren't military and in opposition through military means to a foreign or domestic enemy beyond the scale of crime fighting. It may be alright to use the word 'war' in relation to the fight against transnational terrorism yet even that use tends too much to cloud the actual state of affairs of how things really are politically.

Can any American believe that Iran is so insignificant militarily, such a puny vermin that it could presently be at war with the United States and it isn't quite noticed, and no military forces are required to counter-attack more preserve life en mass. Does Iran present as great of a threat of invasion to Iraq as does Turkey with its parliament voting approval for petite blitzkriegs into Iraq as soon as American forces back away from the targeted region? Does Iran's history in the Iran-Iraq war ring any bells-wasn't that a real war and the hypothetical war of this subject just an imaginary state of affairs?

Iran may have some elements supply weapons and advice or elements in Iraq; one could ask is it a 'cold war' something like that between America and Russia during the Vietnam era when the Soviet Union supplied weapons en mass to North Vietnam and defeated the U.N.'s creation of South Vietnam in time. Does Iranian military assistance comprise a comparable level with that of cold war era Soviet supplying of the Viet Cong?

Iran had a government replaced by a Shah with American support known for it's Savak and that secret police agency detention and torture of its citizens. Before the atrocities of Saddam Hussein and his secret police, the Mukhabarat.

http://www.globalsec urity.org/intell/wor ld/iraq/mukhabarat.h tm


http://www.fas.org/i rp/news/1998/02/9802 23_iraq.htm

Revisionism ought not extend to the definition of war. War is a real thing that isn't engaged in by combatants with uncertainty as if it is happening or not. Maybe Hollywood fanaticism and the propaganda of pervasive transnational media have made the label of war a better way to agitate for the end of democracy and political determination by responsible political representation. Maybe asynchronous political goals developing with some friction would be a better way to describe the state of affairs in bilateral relations. Terror activities are a more natural activity for fundamentalist illiterates than sending a wing of stealth bombers with triple action fusion warheads. There is not a direct symmetry in political methods, terminology or comprehension. Each side may be partly right and partly wrong-neither are advantaged by incomprehension and rhetorically lubricate proprietary political diatribes that can sell at home but continue conflict abroad.

Iran is a smaller nation with a President emerged from the revolutionary cauldron and personal dangers presented by the forces of the Shah with a more visceral and slightly nonobjective approach to his foreign and domestic politics while President Bush is from a detached, wealthy background moderated by drunken binges and southern oil patchwork striving to act as the President without the interest of a Ronald Regan who pursued in the 1964 election primaries and finally took it in 1980 after the debacle of the quagmire that developed in Vietnam.

The Vietnam war wasn't won as easily as L.B.J. had believed possible. Though it was largely a conventional war until 1968 with the U.S.A. generally winning the public in the U.S. would not have support another 50,000 combat fatalities to secure a hard to defend national security along hard to defend borders. Not even in the U.S.A. today can the administration halt the flow of illegal aliens and along the Vietnamese frontier halting communist infiltration was even more improbable. In Iraq today political planning did not encompass the real political and geographical facts in advance of engagement well enough to anticipate the cost of intervention along inadequately designed parameters of war. Though the Viet Cong were decimated in the 1968 Tet offensive as the United States military rolled them up the willingness for Americans to support the unwell thought out war against an enemy they had been told was on the ropes decisively evaporated. In the ongoing propaganda interaction with Iran rational planning is again absent from the preponderance of public policy approaches the U.S. Government takes with the Iranian government. Not only is subtlety and nuance lacking in its policy enactments alternative paradigmata are absent as well. Deleterious and inadequate policy advanced seems to lack depth in comprehending Iranian and mid-Asian regional history and social background and of finding methods to let American policy interact with Iranian policy in such a way that Iran would perceive the people of the United States as a friend generally rather than a foe.

Transnational corporatism policy making implemented by the very untheoretically driven President Bush hasn't a good chance for much progress with Iran...that will have to wait until another President takes office in 2009. Iran does present dangers to the United States. A new President will need to discover ways to reign in transnational corporate and fossil fuel goals from conflicting with gals of value to Americans and Iranians. While Americans can fairly defend against Muhammadan crusaders financed by oil and gas into terrorism in an effort to expand the Dar al harb like a recrudescent expansion of the Umma against Europe and the west, we must also defend our own nation against reliance on fossil fuels instead of home generated electrical power from wind, solar and fuel cells to provide automotive power. The war of transnational oil corporations upon American foreign policy planning could be described as readily as Iran's war upon the United States (that concept makes it easy for the administration to seem non-aggressive in case it needs to bomb Iran;s nuclear facilities soon).

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Yes

Yes, Iran is already at war with America even if Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, steadfastly denies the facts.

Iran has opened up war on two fronts with America and her allies, conventional warfare and electronic financial warfare via the internet.

Iranian weapons, training and actual covert Iranian military personnel are being used to kill American soldiers stationed in Iraq on a daily basis. In addition, the Iranian government has also decided to embark on a new age mission to financially attack the citizens of the United States and other Western democracies by allowing their country to be used as the hub for the growing international credit card and identity theft schemes that were once thriving in Nigeria.

While the Iranian electronic financial warfare is costing businesses and individuals millions of dollars, Iran's conventional warfare is costing America its most precious resource, our American soldiers. The Iranian government is actively killing our soldiers.

How much more American blood can be allowed to drench the hands of the Iranian government in power before we seek justifiable retribution against a country that publicly considers America their enemy? How much longer are we going ignore the Iranian supplied weapons and training that are being used to kill our troops on a daily basis?

While it is true that many countries supply weapons to other countries for profit, Iran is not supplying the weapons and training militias in Iraq for profit. Their sole mission is to kill as many Americans soldiers while saying their hands are clean of American blood. The Iranian proxy war against America to take over Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon in their push to wipe Israel off of the map is not acceptable and will not be tolerated much longer.

How many more American men and women soldiers will be sent home in body bags to their families courtesy of the Iranian government's decision to kill our soldiers?

At what point do President Bush and our military leaders decide that enough
American soldiers have died at the hands of the Iranian government before we respond to the line drawn in the sand by Iran using the blood of American soldiers? President Bush and our top military leaders can only hold their heads high so long knowing in their hearts the Iranian government's own Iranian Revolutionary Guard division is instrumental and guilty in participating in the deaths of many of our soldiers in Iraq.

With the Iranian government's hatred for America so strong and undeniable, the fingerprints of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards can probably be found in Afghanistan, Pakistan and many places of conflict taking place now on the African continent. There is no doubt their bloody fingerprints can be found in Western countries as well. It wouldn't be surprising to learn that Osama Bin Laden and his key operatives are hiding in Iran instead of Pakistan.

Is the Iranian Government becoming common thieves or is it a planned financial attack?

Allowing the use of the Internet system under the Iranian government's direct control as one of their weapons of war to financially attack the United States and other western democracies is a declaration of war. It is hard to believe the Iranian government has decided to become common thieves as well but one could say that by their recent actions.

The Iranian government's recent decision to allow the computer operations of criminals based in Nigeria and other African countries, who steal people's identities and their money through elaborate Internet schemes, to operate from computer networks in Iran only reinforce the contempt Iran has for international laws.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad can't say he doesn't know what is going on around him. They have their fist on good honest Iranians on a daily basis. They know very well about the internet criminal elements setting up shop in Iran and most likely expect to enjoy the benefits of the millions of dollars stolen from credit card holders around the world.

It is time to put the criminal regime in Iran out of business for the good of all of the decent people in the Middle East and to send the message to Iran that murdering our American soldiers will no longer be tolerated. The Iranian government's immunity from retribution and justice is coming to an end as their disguise as a civilized government falls away to reveal the government leaders as murderers and now greedy participants in the international credit card fraud schemes.

The slowly ticking clock is speeding up towards the impending conflict with
Iran. The drums of war could be heard if they would only listen before it is too late.

Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the Iranian / Religious government leaders around him are mistakenly thinking that America is the same country we were back in 1979. They are very wrong and will soon find out first hand that we are tired of them murdering our Americans soldiers. They should quit ignoring the drums of war beating faintly and steadily.

Despite the sideshow of the weakness demonstrated by the leading Democrat presidential candidates Clinton and Obama and the present Democratic leadership on Capital Hill; the majority of Americans regardless of biased opinion polls are tired of turning the other cheek and watching our sons and daughters, our husbands and wives, and our fathers and mothers be murdered at the hands of the Iranian government.

We are also tired of wondering and worrying about where and when the next terrorist attack will happen in the United States. Most Americans understand that Democratic leaders live in a world of wishes and not reality.

No, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, we are not the same people from 1979 thanks to the actions of murderer Osama Bin Laden. Forget about the skewed polls, the majority of Americans know we can't go home again only to expect more attacks in the future.

The blood of American soldiers on the hands of the Iranian Government can't and will not be ignored much longer by President Bush and our top military leaders. They owe it to our troops in the field who signed up to protect America to take the fight directly to any group or any country's government who try to kill them on a daily basis.

No one signed up for the military to be murdered by the Iranian government who thinks they have immunity from justice and retribution.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, hear the drums. They are getting louder and the clock is ticking faster.

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